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| V8 Swap - Steering issues (once more) #46427 Sunday Jun 19 2005 09:51 AM |
| Beginning of all, allow me to apologize - As someone here pointed out, these are the stovebolt forums and here I am about to ask questions about replacing my stovebolt engine. I tried to proceed the 235 equally long as I could - I actually did - but lack of stovebolt parts availabilty here in Hawaii has led me to finally do a chevy small cake swap. I'm in the process of plumbing fixtures a 305/350 combo into my '52 1/2 ton (with stock steering/frame etc.) and am running into the same issues every else has (namely, the stock steering box). The FAQ here at stovebolt.com said using reversed 305 exhaust manifolds (laissez passer side bolted onto commuter's side) allowed the steering box to commodities back into the stock location. Well, that's non even shut to working for me. Right at present I have the engine centered between the frame rails only am seriously considering offseting it an inch towards the passenger side to minimize the amount I have to move the steering box. I've done a lot of searching on this upshot - both here and at nigh 4 other forums - only nobody seems to exist able to solve the problem: Is there ANY exhaust manifold out there - OEM or header type or whatsoever - that volition clear the stock steering box WITHOUT having to motility the box over off the frame? Or am I dreaming? It seems like most people take to move the stock box over an inch or two AND apply creative exhaust manifolds (rams horn, block huggers, etc.). As for me, one matter and then far I've learned can be summed up in three little words: Curt Water Pump. I wish I knew that before I started. Thanks, Terminal edited by Keahi; Fri Sep 27 2019 06:12 PM. Reason: Removed personal info |
| Re: V8 Swap - Steering issues (again) #46428 Sunday Jun xix 2005 10:32 AM |
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| I used a 1955-56 265 V8 exhaust manifold on my 1954 Chevy pickup and still had to move the engine over almost a inch. I remember that is about the thinest manifold at that place is. |
| Re: V8 Swap - Steering issues (once more) #46429 Dominicus Jun 19 2005 10:57 AM |
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| wdoftexas, Did using that 265 manifold and the offset allow you to put the stock steering box dorsum on the frame? Thanks, |
| Re: V8 Swap - Steering issues (again) #46430 Sun Jun 19 2005 08:05 PM |
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| Moving the steering box ane inch has been a common practice since 1955 when the 265 came out. Virtually guys dont fifty-fifty notice and it really does not hurt a thing. |
| Re: V8 Swap - Steering issues (again) #46431 Mon Jun 20 2005 06:xi AM |
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| I used ram's horn manifolds, center dump, on my 350 and had to motility my steering box 2", in addition to grinding the outlet of the manifold a little. I also had to chop my firewall for Distributor clearance in order to continue the 4-speek tranny in exactly the same place. I hated this setup and now, having blown the 350, am back to a 235 with everything patched up and moved back to original. |
| Re: V8 Bandy - Steering issues (once again) #46432 Mon Jun 20 2005 03:16 PM |
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| I have used the new style rear dump manifolds. No grinding. I have never used the stock iv speed. If you apply a curt pump any small block volition fit with no chopping of the firewall. |
| Re: V8 Bandy - Steering issues (once more) #46433 Mon Jun 20 2005 04:20 PM |
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| I'm using rear dump manifolds out of a 77 chevelle, as they were complimentary and easier to plumb an frazzle systym to.The last time I tried to go someone to put in a new exhaust system to my one-time 55 with the 265 ,I had to drive all over the urban center to find a store that had those kind of ends to join the manifold. |
| Re: V8 Swap - Steering issues (again) #46434 Monday Jun xx 2005 06:37 PM |
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| Thank you for all of the replies - I'one thousand in the procedure of rounding upwards a brusk water pump and the right pulleys to fix the clearance in the front and likewise looking for some steel tubing to space out the steering box. The '79 Nova that I pulled the engine from has a driver'south side frazzle manifold with a neat little dent where the steering box is but the steering box even so needs to get out at least 1-3/iv". Not the most elegant solution simply it fits the upkeep right at present. |
| Re: V8 Swap - Steering issues (again) #46435 Fri Jun 24 2005 06:17 PM |
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| I just wanted to post where im at with my conversion I first bought the engine and trans mounts from chevy duty but i really didnt similar them so i bought the kits that chassis engineering has these are pretty nice .the trans mount bolts into the original holes.I bought a gear up of cc2 headers from sanderson but contrary to what they tell you they will not fit . im in the procedure of figuring out what im going to do with the steering box.I read alot about spacing the box out two inches which i will accept to exercise but im a lilliputian concerened about the steering wheel existence kleptomaniacal .im thinking of putting in a ujoint kit so the steering wheel is straight.and im back to the drawing board on the exhaust.Im also interested in how other people are doing theirs to get ideas save a camaro,run a direct axle |
| Re: V8 Swap - Steering issues (again) #46436 Friday Jun 24 2005 07:46 PM |
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| Greasesleddin, You got any pics with the engine/trans installed witht the chassis engineering mounts? I'd love to see them. I used the universal tubular engine mount and was going to use the tubular trans mountain merely now I'thousand thinking of modifying and using the stock trans crossmember every bit well. After talking to some more people I may attempt the 265 exhaust/offset engine arroyo instead of moving the steering box. By the way, am I the only one with a spark plug to steering box clearance problem too? Even with no frazzle on at that place at all right at present the steering box would hit the spark plug if I tried to commodities the box dorsum in. I'm estimate I'g going searching for some of those "header plugs" today. |
| Re: V8 Swap - Steering problems (again) #46437 Fri Jun 24 2005 08:31 PM |
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| i WILL TRY TO GET SOME PICTURES THIS WEEKEND.AND NO YOUR NO THE ONLY ONE WITH THIS PROBLEM MY SPARK PLUG IS ALMOST TOUCHING THE BOX ALSO .I Tin SLIDE MY BOX OVER Nearly 3/4 OF AN INCH Just IN ORDER TO MOVE IT More THAT I AM GOING TO HAVE TO Brand THE Hole IN MY FIREWALL BIGGER save a camaro,run a straight axle |
| Re: V8 Swap - Steering issues (again) #46439 Sun Jun 26 2005 12:51 AM |
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| Fellow up hither has a 52 GMC with a 350 in information technology and original front end. He had no clearance issues just did notch the manifold a slight amount to clear. He made his ain motor mount from tubular steel and the motor sits a chip higher than you commonly see. Information technology is a dainty install, very make clean. |
| Re: V8 Bandy - Steering problems (again) #46440 Sun Jun 26 2005 08:04 AM |
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| Oasis't messed with this,simply whats the chances of installing the manifolds upside downwards,and building your pipes with a "U"turn? I saw an erstwhile pickup several years back with a Five-8 conversion set up this way.Sorry-tin can't remember the engine or make of truck-also many years ago;I was sorting out a cooling problem at the fourth dimension and was but paying attention to the radiator. |
| Re: V8 Bandy - Steering problems (again) #46441 Wed Jun 29 2005 04:50 AM |
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| In that location are a few solutions I tin can think of. 1 of which involves modifying an exhaust header on that side. Do you accept room to cut the offending frazzle master and employ a J-bend to cut and weld a path effectually the steering box? The other solution would be to move the steering box. You might accept to do some inventive engineering. But if yous look at a late-sixty's Chevy or GMC, the steering box is similar in blueprint, but it'south on the outside of the frame rail, really IN the wheel well. I don't see why that wouldn't work on my '52 GMC. I've compared trucks side by side, and with minor modification, (which you lot're doing on your truck anyway), it could work. Look into Flaming River to go a U-articulation for your steering shaft. 52 GMC 3/4 ton pickup |
| Re: V8 Swap - Steering issues (once more) #46442 Wed Jun 29 2005 05:08 PM |
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| I put a '57 283 in my 55.i, used ram's horn and moved box over 2". When I did research 3 years ago, that is what I found was the standard. It works. |
| Re: V8 Swap - Steering issues (once more) #46443 Thu Jun 30 2005 11:23 PM |
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| Thanks for all of the suggestions! Subsequently talking to a agglomeration of people who have done this swap I've decided to change class and eye the engine between the frame runway and buy one of those power steering kits that uses one of the later truck steering boxes. I really didn't want to space out the steering box and I tried moving the engine over merely it looked really goofy to me. If the frazzle manifold were the only problem I would accept probably kept the stock steering and used a front dump manifold or a (reversed) right side manifold that comes up above the exhaust ports (like this i off a '95 camaro): [img]http:/ But like I said, even with NO exhaust manifold bolted on the spark plug hits the steering box. I think the chief problem is with the universal tubular engine mounts that all the catalog companies sell - with the "ears" of the tubular mountain set in the C-frame rails you lot tin really only move the engine upwards and down and so much. If I were able to position the engine a little more upward and a little more than forrard I think the spark plug would clear and so a forwards dump exhaust manifold would have worked, but oh well. Live and larn. |
| Re: V8 Swap - Steering issues (over again) #46444 Monday Jul 04 2005 02:45 AM |
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| Why not? Aside from fabricating your own motor mounts, I guess that would work. The spark plug hitting the steering box is a problem. Y'all could use a shorty plug like Accel sells, which would give you lot an actress half inch, but that's yet non very good. I call up with the kit y'all bought, I'd probably attempt to move the steering box. To the guy who moved their steering box ii", what modifications did yous have to do to the steering organization to accomodate that? 52 GMC iii/4 ton pickup |
| Re: V8 Swap - Steering bug (once more) #46445 Monday Jul 04 2005 06:00 AM |
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| I have a set up of manifolds from a 84 chevy with air and they are rear dump.if you would like a pic let me know |
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| and then just to confirm i have a stock 51 3100 that i pulled the 216 out of. I have a 305 and a 700r4 trans that i want in. So i should use ram horn or cake hugger for headers and just infinite the steering box out ii inches? This should work for me correct? Tin anyone tell me a link on a new radiator for the same truck/setup? I would like to mount into the stock location |
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| Do a search; this has been hashed over many times. You lot DO Non take to move the steering box and you lot DO NOT accept to first the engine with a 265 exhaust manifold. If you do you did something incorrect. For a good pictorial go to Kahoys postal service on 9-26-2015. He did it right. |
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| Practise a search; this has been hashed over many times. Yous DO NOT take to move the steering box and you Do NOT have to offset the engine with a 265 exhaust manifold. If yous do yous did something incorrect. For a adept pictorial go to Kahoys post on 9-26-2015. He did it correct. I found it. Now is there a header i can become better period with and still not modify the steer gear box relocation? Will that 265 header work on my SBC 305? Last edited past Sgtfluffy16; Tue Jan xxx 2018 03:01 PM. Reason: needed quote |
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| Improved exhaust flow with headers is a myth- - - - -UNLESS you go with a very expensive custom designed setup with equal length tubes from every exhaust port, and the tube length will only benefit performance at one specific RPM range. Mostly, the longer the tube, the better the low-end torque will exist. A tractor pull engine I built with a Dodge 440 needed header tubes eight feet long to go the best pull off the line, going into a vi" diameter collector. 30-something years of dyno run documentation of that, accumulated by my begetter and I, got destroyed when an banana principal at the loftier school where nosotros both taught decided to discard a filing cabinet full of old shop records. He didn't like my opinion of his ancestry afterward that episode, which included references to a bunch of dogs and frogs! "Liberty's simply some other word for nil left to lose" Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt! WAG More than- - - - - -BARK LESS! |
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| Don't let this backbite from the seasoned advice from others. I'm sure it is sounds. Concluding year, I bought some parts off a guy who was building an AD truck with an bodily 265 V8. It definitely interfered with steering column (he moved the column and it was still tight) and now I wonder why. Could it be that he had engine positioned likewise far to the rear? |
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| I wonder if he had the original exhaust manifolds on that 265? The ones some of us oldtimers are talking near had the outlet at the front of the driver's side manifold, not like the rams' horns, etc. "Freedom's just another discussion for cipher left to lose" Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the chase! WAG More than- - - - - -Bawl LESS! |
| Re: V8 Bandy - Steering issues (again) |
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| Gotcha. Yes, I bet that was it. If memory serves, information technology had the rams horn style. |
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| The OEM part (casting) numbers for those manifolds is 3704791 and 92. At that place'due south a pair for auction on Ebay today for $139.00. Search "Chevy 265 exhaust manifold". The difference is that one of them has a generator bracket mounting boss. Either one will fit on the driver'south side head depending on whether or non you desire to hang some sort of bracket on it. Information technology works, and the cost certainly beats some sort of eye candy that will fire plug wires and turn your under-hood expanse into a pizza oven! "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose" Blench and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt! WAG MORE- - - - - -Bawl LESS! |
| Re: V8 Bandy - Steering issues (once more) |
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| My first 50 3600 had a V8 in information technology when I got it. The seller said it was a 307 just I never confirmed that. The street side manifold exited at the rear and so down 45* . The curbside manifold exited mostly direct down betwixt 6 and 8. (Or is 5 and 7?) And the steering box was moved outboard well-nigh 1 1/2" with a custom mount/subclass. But it was still tight between the steering box and manifold. At the time I guessed they manifolds from a 305, but I don't know. Dwelling house made side motor mounts were welded to the frame, and a bandage iron bellhousing was used that mounts to the crossmember. Looking back now it must have had the original crossmember replaced with one from a 54-55.1 truck with the sloping mounting surfaces. Backside that was the original SM-420 and 2-piece driveshaft. Last edited by Frank50; Sabbatum February 10 2018 09:58 PM. |
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| Hi hotrod lincoln, I accept a question: do you recall these kits that motion the steering box to the outside of the frame and upgrade to ability steering are a good manner to solve this upshot?Or would they dramatically change the drag link location and potentially increment crash-land steer? 1950 (I think) Chevy 3100 |
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| Funny that this thread only became renewed. But my small block 350 that I dropped in. With 265 Corvette log Mode frazzle manifolds. I yet had to space my steering gear over. Yes the engine is centered in the engine bay. But still had to move the steering gear with the stock Corvette manifolds. And don't tell me it was installed incorrectly because it's 100% correct. Transmission is directly. And it lines upward perfectly straight with the rear axle |
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| Does that mean you take to move the whole steering column and steering wheel also? Like you lot take to scoot shut to the door to bulldoze your truck? I don't retrieve I'd similar that. 1950 (I think) Chevy 3100 |
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| No, I had to loosen the bolts where the steering cavalcade bolts to the dash and slide it over. I also had to notch the firewall a little bit also. It does not modify the position of the steering wheel at all. Basically y'all're using an inch and a one-half spacer on the steering gear itself. Afterwards doing that I also took my brand new drag link and cutting information technology in half. I reindexed it 180° so the the elevate link was much more of a 90 degree angle to the steering knuckle rather than a lx degree bending. Brought information technology back to more of manufacturing plant steering geometry dimensions |
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| No, I had to loosen the bolts where the steering cavalcade bolts to the dash and slide it over. I also had to notch the firewall a little bit likewise. It does non change the position of the steering cycle at all. Basically y'all're using an inch and a half spacer on the steering gear itself. After doing that I also took my brand new drag link and cut information technology in half. I reindexed it 180° so the the elevate link was much more of a xc degree angle to the steering knuckle rather than a 60 degree bending. Brought it back to more of factory steering geometry dimensions I gauge I don't know what the original column looked similar so it's disruptive to me. It seems if you have to slide the column over an inch so your steering wheel would move also. Mine is super wonky. At least 4 inches over. My grandfather did it 40 years ago. I can't go out it similar this. 1950 (I think) Chevy 3100 |
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| It is said that yous can utilize stock 265 V8 exhaust manifolds mounting the rider side backwards on the drivers side and getting creative with the pipe. Someone will slap my wrist if I'm wrong! Martin "I fought the law and the police won" now I are a retired one! |
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| These are the exact cast manifolds that I have. And yes, still had to space steering gear over |
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| U It is said that you can use stock 265 V8 frazzle manifolds mounting the passenger side backwards on the drivers side and getting artistic with the pipe. Someone volition slap my wrist if I'm wrong! Well, currently I have a 390 Cadillac. I think my options are more express. 1950 (I think) Chevy 3100 |
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| Well, that would have been good info to know up front end. Martin "I fought the police and the law won" at present I are a retired one! |
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